tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post1117408684694949105..comments2023-07-17T09:54:31.556-05:00Comments on Hacking Christianity: Top-down polity v. bottom-up policy [bad.hack]Rev. Jeremy Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-50747418665553336102008-05-06T01:04:00.000-05:002008-05-06T01:04:00.000-05:00I remember quite vividly how excited I was when th...I remember quite vividly how excited I was when the Igniting Ministry campaign was first getting ready to launch. "Open hearts, open minds, open doors" sounded exactly like the kind of UMC I wanted to be a part of. I guess it just looked good on paper. I haven't seen much of it actually put into practice locally and from some of the reports I've read so far about GC it's not just a local thing.karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03140525208481352659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-33326545763572210332008-05-05T21:13:00.000-05:002008-05-05T21:13:00.000-05:00Great point about the value of $500 versus the val...Great point about the value of $500 versus the value of potential discipling. We need much more of that kind of thinking in the church today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-75123895086616790402008-05-05T13:29:00.000-05:002008-05-05T13:29:00.000-05:00....yeah, I think you'd be hard pressed to conside.......yeah, I think you'd be hard pressed to consider ordaining women to be anything other than a good hack on this blog! :) <BR/><BR/>And it is certainly biblically faithful, but probably not in the way you define it!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by...feel free to leave your name and link next time, I like to know more about my readers!Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-91670749022720490712008-05-05T13:18:00.000-05:002008-05-05T13:18:00.000-05:00No way was that vote "swayed" by a lady suggesting...No way was that vote "swayed" by a lady suggesting churches would be losing out on "facility rental" money.<BR/><BR/>As with most votes at G.C. (or anywhere for that matter) 98 % already have a particualar aim in mind with their vote. If votes were swayed, I seriously doubt this is the woman and the logic that swayed them.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of women, and the reference to the vote that allowed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-24963779220673370372008-05-05T09:59:00.000-05:002008-05-05T09:59:00.000-05:00@ Sonja, yeah, the tagline bothers me a little bit...<B>@ Sonja</B>, yeah, the tagline bothers me a little bit. What about those who don't consider themselves able-bodied or simply "able" to transform the world? Are they (a) worth less to the church, or (b) now seeing themselves as less worthy?<BR/><BR/><B>@ John (CttW)</B>, opposition was definitely based on more than this. But Alice Wolfe was the presenter of the minority report, and thus Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-16935245425564474582008-05-05T09:54:00.000-05:002008-05-05T09:54:00.000-05:00I hadn't heard about the silly arguments, but it d...I hadn't heard about the silly arguments, but it doesn't surprise me. Last Friday I looked up the 1956 conference vote that gave women ordination rights, and the vote was close (though not 12 votes close). We have a tendency to think that these votes are unanimous or at least that they pass by wide margins, but that vote only passed by 92 votes with a 57% majority. If 46 people had changed their Matt Algrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09626052718821794580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-41733091176048860552008-05-05T08:38:00.000-05:002008-05-05T08:38:00.000-05:00I agree that the 'straw human' argument was weak.B...I agree that the 'straw human' argument was weak.<BR/><BR/>But I suspect opposition to the measure was based on more than this argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-41086807507323438252008-05-05T08:22:00.000-05:002008-05-05T08:22:00.000-05:00...and what about making disciples of Jesus Christ......and what about making disciples of Jesus Christ for "the transformation of the world." I am assuming that we are now playing God and determining who can be in Jesus' inner circle. Sounds Pharisaic to me.Yellow Sun Soapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434678812733919129noreply@blogger.com