tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post5226070366515704137..comments2023-07-17T09:54:31.556-05:00Comments on Hacking Christianity: Don't Vote for Casket [consumerism+church]Rev. Jeremy Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-6294180783772882872010-08-04T13:08:08.418-05:002010-08-04T13:08:08.418-05:00Sometimes I think too much is read into the motive...Sometimes I think too much is read into the motives behind such things. this is a funny advert that makes people laugh. How could that be a bad thing?how to win the lotteryhttp://www.howtowinthelotteryguaranteed.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-23605423817397361722010-02-01T11:17:58.282-06:002010-02-01T11:17:58.282-06:00This article is just one in a series of conflicts ...This article is just one in a series of conflicts around who has the right to advertise on TV and raises for me questions of Christian privilege.<br /><br />Would a Muslim ad make it to the top six in a contest (no matter how funny it was)? Or an atheist ad?<br /><br />I doubt it.TLSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-38629369103260237792010-01-25T16:49:39.493-06:002010-01-25T16:49:39.493-06:00I completely respect the points you just made. I t...I completely respect the points you just made. I think this is a constant challenge for churches similar to Mosaic who are outreach driven and Mosaic is a church that tends to attract those that are more creative and working in the "industry." I think their perspective with the commercial brings up an interesting question as well of how Christians are to interact with and use culture toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-45451123349932791892010-01-25T16:09:38.236-06:002010-01-25T16:09:38.236-06:00I commend McManus for setting the record straight,...I commend McManus for setting the record straight, and that you've followed up here to let the rest of us who are still in the dark know. Thanks, it is helpful. I still find it curious that there's been no corrections or clarifications published to change the headlines from "Megachurch enters ad contest" and "LA Church produces Ad" and "Mosaic's Super Bowl Ad&Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-39679160780540502772010-01-25T14:05:56.732-06:002010-01-25T14:05:56.732-06:00Points well taken. I have not been aware that he h...Points well taken. I have not been aware that he has made any direct statements that the contest entry was solely for the purpose that the money would be funneled directly back to the church. Perhaps some things he has said have mislead others, but I commend him for addressing his entire congregation last week to refute this and clear up any misunderstandings. <br /><br />If you visit Mosaic'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-88493558955724173852010-01-25T13:30:42.616-06:002010-01-25T13:30:42.616-06:00To your second point first, there has to be a conn...To your second point first, there has to be a connection between values and identity. If a member's video had morally objectionable claims, then even if I wanted to support them, I wouldn't promote it. I believe "Casket" has morally objectionable claims and presentations. I note you are only disputing the ownership of the video, not the values that I have critiqued above. I Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-49220708688967691612010-01-25T13:07:48.889-06:002010-01-25T13:07:48.889-06:00Incorrect, I was in the service last week and he s...Incorrect, I was in the service last week and he said the money IS NOT going to the church. If those that win the money wish to donate it to the church, that decision is completely up to them. The money cannot go directly to the church because the church is not the submitting party, it is the independent group of people. So where's your source coming from? I see no direct quotes.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-12299344696105671982010-01-25T11:50:10.404-06:002010-01-25T11:50:10.404-06:00I'm afraid that when a church takes ownership ...I'm afraid that when a church takes ownership of a message, promotes it on their website, announces it from the pulpit...it's theirs. McManus has said that the money goes to the church so therefore they are responsible for it.<br /><br />I've written before about Lottery Winnings in Offering Plates and the same principle applies- http://blog.hackingchristianity.net/2008/08/Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-21857917297595371612010-01-25T09:39:49.947-06:002010-01-25T09:39:49.947-06:00I attend this church and the pastor owns his own p...I attend this church and the pastor owns his own production company completely independent of the church. He and his friends funded the commercial entirely on their own with NO money from the church. I think people need to do the research before being so quick to judge and ask people not to vote for the commercial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-23174002679208654192010-01-23T23:04:58.001-06:002010-01-23T23:04:58.001-06:00@Anonymous, yes, the ends do justify the means, do...@Anonymous, yes, the ends do justify the means, don't they? Why not sell drugs if it will help missions too?Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-24446785215039611382010-01-23T21:27:57.958-06:002010-01-23T21:27:57.958-06:00I think it is creative, funny, and has a great cha...I think it is creative, funny, and has a great chance of winning! Just think what a church, that is committed to missions and helping others, could do with that prize money!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-24690287867695184522010-01-22T08:45:22.493-06:002010-01-22T08:45:22.493-06:00I have to agree with you, Jeremy, and disagree wit...I have to agree with you, Jeremy, and disagree with those who make light of your concerns. The unspoken messages we receive are the most powerful and there are far too many negative unspoken messages being offered by this ad. <br />As I think of Jesus' parables, the twist is what captures our attention and the twist IS the message.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-20261298141217717412010-01-14T19:41:14.969-06:002010-01-14T19:41:14.969-06:00I tend to think there's some overreaction here...I tend to think there's some overreaction here. I, for one, wouldn't think it was sacrilege if someone other than a church created this ad, and it seems to be fairly obviously done in humor.<br /><br />You've also misrepresented Mosaic as a "Wal-Mart Church." They do have multiple campuses, but each campus features live communication and worship as well as a pastor Joshua Codyhttp://joshuacody.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-5938029726660383332010-01-14T13:50:15.472-06:002010-01-14T13:50:15.472-06:00and I just watched the other finalists i could fin...and I just watched the other finalists i could find, and well, at least casket is comparatively devoid of violence. The others have someone getting shocked by an old man, shocked by a dog collar, slapped by a kid, or stuck in the side of the neck with a flying star dorito!Nathan Mattoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618816092900455135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-27210980102653025582010-01-14T11:59:35.725-06:002010-01-14T11:59:35.725-06:00Well, you're the first to point this out to me...Well, you're the first to point this out to me, Jeremy--thanks. <br />You bring up "the money possibly being used in a good way," at the end of the post. Based on what little I've read, I can't discern what the church plans on doing with the prize money (is there prize money? the only reward I could understand is that the commercial will be aired during the Superbowl.&Nathan Mattoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618816092900455135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-51629563061439319612010-01-13T17:12:52.520-06:002010-01-13T17:12:52.520-06:00I'm not going to lie, I've been torn on it...I'm not going to lie, I've been torn on it. I will admit to voting because at first I thought the concept of the church creating it was intriguing and I thought it was great that the church was encouraging people to use their creativity. But, I completely agree with your critique as well and I'm not going to vote anymore.Missyhttp://www.pastormelissa.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com