tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post8845653759936669939..comments2023-07-17T09:54:31.556-05:00Comments on Hacking Christianity: The Case for Six-Year AppointmentsRev. Jeremy Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-35626022859559015922008-06-05T10:26:00.000-05:002008-06-05T10:26:00.000-05:00Nathan, unless your cabinet is significantly diffe...Nathan, unless your cabinet is significantly different from ours, you ought to take anything they say about the future (i.e., regarding moves and locations) with plenty of salt. Their job is to fill churches NOW, not to look ahead down the road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-47525683529616495742008-06-04T14:24:00.000-05:002008-06-04T14:24:00.000-05:00Jeremy,If you are a believer in 4 year appointment...Jeremy,<BR/>If you are a believer in 4 year appointments, then you belong to the right bishop...I mean conference. Bishop Hayes had made the statement to us that he isn't interested in moving us until we've served an appointment for 4 years. Though we love our current appointment, this new "rule" was a bit of a disappointment to my wife, who's a professional who has to commute 2 hours a day to Nathan Mattoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618816092900455135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-57420928151505314202008-06-02T15:13:00.000-05:002008-06-02T15:13:00.000-05:00"we are not the leaders of our churches, the laity..."we are not the leaders of our churches, the laity are. By moving us clergy around, that keeps churches from becoming cults of personality and instead they are to rely on their own gifts and graces for ministry."<BR/><BR/>To lead or not to lead. That ISN'T the question. The more relevant questions are Where, Why,and How.<BR/><BR/>In my experience most small churches are allergic to leadership of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-16045271976684421832008-05-31T16:26:00.000-05:002008-05-31T16:26:00.000-05:00I think it would be a mistake to establish a "one-...I think it would be a mistake to establish a "one-size-fits-all" approach to appointments - especially in terms of duration. Congregations vary greatly as do pastors. What we really need in our denomination is genuine leadership from our Bishops and District Superintendents. We need real mechanism for evaluating congregational health and pastoral effectiveness. We need realistic assessments of a Bryan Hooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09101903793925340724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-78642644067452355792008-05-31T08:17:00.000-05:002008-05-31T08:17:00.000-05:00@ sonja, you snuck in while I posted my last comme...<B>@ sonja</B>, you snuck in while I posted my last comment! <BR/><BR/>Right on about clergy status changes meriting changes in appointments...there's no change for the local church except you get to call yourself a Rev. or you start wearing a stole. I don't see what impact that has on a local church rather than clergy confidence!<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I'm totally with 10 year appointments. Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-4346240049609820762008-05-31T08:11:00.000-05:002008-05-31T08:11:00.000-05:00@ ann, absolutely! I wouldn't type it if I didn't...<B>@ ann</B>, absolutely! I wouldn't type it if I didn't want everyone to read it!<BR/><BR/><B>@ jack</B>, I agree with your comments on the clergy side of things. I'll have to put more thought into it from that side of the altar rail. For me, it seems term of appointments is more for the laity. If laity realize you aren't moving for four years, then they aren't gonna try the "I'll outlast Rev. Jeremy Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137491388537194847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-51027502655925159332008-05-31T08:05:00.000-05:002008-05-31T08:05:00.000-05:00I am in my third appointment. My first was a year...I am in my third appointment. My first was a year and a half. It was one of those that I requested the move and it was an extreme circumstance. The next one was 4 1/2 years. Yes, it had it's fair share of problems, but what the church really needed was a pastor who didn't leave after 3 years. The third year was stressful, but after it was halfway over and they saw I wasn't going anywhere, Yellow Sun Soapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434678812733919129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-10489269747352969992008-05-30T20:21:00.000-05:002008-05-30T20:21:00.000-05:00It's a good thing to think about and as a soon to ...It's a good thing to think about and as a soon to be seminarian I see both sides. If all was going well I might like to hang around a bit longer, but if I was miserable I'd love to be able to get up a go!John Wesley Leekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424587406465161537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-86789289240370243472008-05-30T15:57:00.000-05:002008-05-30T15:57:00.000-05:00In some weird ways, I think making it a 4 year def...In some weird ways, I think making it a 4 year definitive move would really scare some pastors (or prospective ones) off. Whether that is good or bad is up to you, but they'd be scared off. Why? Because almost always its the pastor who wants to move.<BR/><BR/>I don't have the numbers on it, but I'd bet 3 out of 4 times a pastor moves it is because they request it. For a raise, because of Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17940030280750981377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4152029133681792030.post-29601990833157588102008-05-30T09:00:00.000-05:002008-05-30T09:00:00.000-05:00Would you like me to send this to my mother the DS...Would you like me to send this to my mother the DS? She likes commenting on my blog...I'm sure she'd enjoy reading is ;-)Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595040940682837556noreply@blogger.com